{"id":4838,"date":"2025-05-01T12:00:26","date_gmt":"2025-05-01T03:00:26","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.cbon.co.jp\/journal\/?p=4838"},"modified":"2026-04-01T12:50:51","modified_gmt":"2026-04-01T03:50:51","slug":"interview_26","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.cbon.co.jp\/journal\/interview_26\/","title":{"rendered":"\u79c1\u306b\u3068\u3063\u3066\u808c\u306f\u904b\u6c17\u306e\u30d0\u30ed\u30e1\u30fc\u30bf\u30fc\u3002<br>\u30d5\u30a7\u30a4\u30b7\u30e3\u30ea\u30b9\u30c8\u30b5\u30ed\u30f3\u3067\u306e\u304a\u624b\u5165\u308c\u306f\u3001\u81ea\u5206\u3092\u201c\u826f\u3044\u72b6\u614b\u201d\u306b\u3059\u308b\u305f\u3081\u306b\u5fc5\u8981\u4e0d\u53ef\u6b20\u3067\u3059\u3002"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"toc_container\" class=\"no_bullets\"><p class=\"toc_title\">\u76ee\u6b21<\/p><ul class=\"toc_list\"><li><a href=\"#i\"><span class=\"toc_number toc_depth_1\">1<\/span> 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